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lambda the great · Aug 01, 2011, 06:49 AM // 06:49

I say Guild Wars takes the gold trophy. The game has kept me entertained for thousands of hours since it was released. No other MMO has kept my attention or interest for this long since Diablo came out. GW is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin' classic fantasy game. In my opinion GW is the best MMO out here, nothing comes close to it.

Milennin · Aug 01, 2011, 12:05 PM // 12:05

I think ArenaNet could have put more people on the projects to get higher quality content out and faster, but since we're not paying them anything to do so, I think it's ok the way they handle it now.
Now, if people were required to pay for the new content, then yes, I would expect higher quality than what they give us now.

As for the content in the link in OP... I wouldn't see that as a valid rant. He's just QQ'ing over getting banned for using inappropiate language in public chat. Then he's QQ'ing over being forced to grind for titles to enjoy the game. C'mon, that's gotta be a joke.

Vezoth · Aug 02, 2011, 07:36 AM // 07:36

@above, how is that not a valid rant? If you got banned for saying butt when there WAS a chat filter, how would you feel? Obviously that's not right. Honestly banning people over dumb things makes Anet money when you are addicted because you go out and rebuy the game.

Also I played back when proph was the only game, then factions came out and I played that about 6 months.

I loved Proph, I think everything about the game was awesome, then with Factions it was different... it was okay, got use to leveling up faster, but I didn't like how they stopped you from going anywhere you wanted. Also the amount of quest did suck. After quitting for 5 years or so and coming back and going through EoTN and only part of Nightfall I can conclude the game is not as great as i use to remember. I still have fun playing but probably because I still have lots to do yet. I can say the new titles for PvE do suck. I don't want to play RuneScape on Guild Wars... I quit RS for a reason, too much grinding.

Anyways when I read his article, he has many valid points, I wouldn't ignore the fact and just say "he's QQing" because really he's making good points about the game. It would be nice if Anet fixed many things.

Iuris · Aug 02, 2011, 07:52 AM // 07:52

You don't get banned in GW for saying butt.

However, people who get banned for abusive behaviour will often claim to have been banned for just one wrong word (and forget to mention the half hour of abusive behaviour that preceded that one word).

lursey · Aug 02, 2011, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Vezoth

@above, how is that not a valid rant? If you got banned for saying butt when there WAS a chat filter, how would you feel? Obviously that's not right. Honestly banning people over dumb things makes Anet money when you are addicted because you go out and rebuy the game.

Also I played back when proph was the only game, then factions came out and I played that about 6 months.

I loved Proph, I think everything about the game was awesome, then with Factions it was different... it was okay, got use to leveling up faster, but I didn't like how they stopped you from going anywhere you wanted. Also the amount of quest did suck. After quitting for 5 years or so and coming back and going through EoTN and only part of Nightfall I can conclude the game is not as great as i use to remember. I still have fun playing but probably because I still have lots to do yet. I can say the new titles for PvE do suck. I don't want to play RuneScape on Guild Wars... I quit RS for a reason, too much grinding.

Anyways when I read his article, he has many valid points, I wouldn't ignore the fact and just say "he's QQing" because really he's making good points about the game. It would be nice if Anet fixed many things.

yes I think this is hard for anet to make pve like this, you feel grinding because you are actually playing 4 games at once if you own all campaigns and expansion, as each one is supposed to be 1 game long.. and you will obviously feel long and grinding when you are playing 4 same games or playing the same game 4 times, won't you?..

Milennin · Aug 02, 2011, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by Vezoth

@above, how is that not a valid rant? If you got banned for saying butt when there WAS a chat filter, how would you feel? Obviously that's not right. Honestly banning people over dumb things makes Anet money when you are addicted because you go out and rebuy the game.

Also I played back when proph was the only game, then factions came out and I played that about 6 months.

I loved Proph, I think everything about the game was awesome, then with Factions it was different... it was okay, got use to leveling up faster, but I didn't like how they stopped you from going anywhere you wanted. Also the amount of quest did suck. After quitting for 5 years or so and coming back and going through EoTN and only part of Nightfall I can conclude the game is not as great as i use to remember. I still have fun playing but probably because I still have lots to do yet. I can say the new titles for PvE do suck. I don't want to play RuneScape on Guild Wars... I quit RS for a reason, too much grinding.

Anyways when I read his article, he has many valid points, I wouldn't ignore the fact and just say "he's QQing" because really he's making good points about the game. It would be nice if Anet fixed many things.

Like Iuris said, I find it very hard to believe that he got banned for just saying "butt", so I'm assuming that's not all what he did for getting banned.

Never had the problem with Factions for not being able to get anywhere, because I just follow the storyline.
And if you have played RuneScape, you know that game is like 10000000000x the grind of what Guild Wars is. In RuneScape you gotta grind to be useful ingame. In Guild Wars it's all optional grind. You can get to rank 7-8 of the EotN reputation titles just vanquishing every area, doing all missions + bonuses and doing all dungeons NM+HM. The final 2-3 ranks don't make or break the game for anyone who just wants to play the game. And even then, they don't take more than a few extra dungeon runs or vanquishes to get.

Maria The Princess · Aug 02, 2011, 11:29 AM // 11:29

People who cry about grind in GW would never be able to play a real MMORPG....

Grind here is OPTIONAL. The only reasons to grind the titles is to:

1- HOM achievments for GW2:

from what it looks like on the site and from what i know about Anet, the rewards wouldn't be a big deal, just a few aesthetic items. It wouldn't be fair from Anet to give people rewards to old players that could unbalance the new game to the FUTURE new players before the game is even out yet. all you need is 30/50 anyways for the max reward, its not difficult (especially since most people QQing here are signed to the forums since 2005-2006, there should be a fair bit of progress done by now) and its OPTIONAL.

2- PVE skills:

I remember beating everything possible in the game without 1 single PVE skill, before they were out even and before people really knew to use them and what skill comes from what. You can do without them, or with lower rank in them.

3- keep themselves busy

if thats what they choose to keep themselves busy with, they wither chose the wrong thing to do and are upset now or they just want to complain on forums.

If you REALLY want those titles why not complete a HM dungeon book, HM mission books (or NM if HM is too irritating or you dont really care about drops) and cash it in with the right faction? that should keep you entretained enough and no feeling of grind (doing the same area over and over for points)

lursey · Aug 02, 2011, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

People who cry about grind in GW would never be able to play a real MMORPG....

grinding is repetitive like you weightlifting in a gym, to make your index and middle finger on your mouse, stronger...

anything other than grinding is more spiritual, using your mind to make decision... to learn...to think....

there are more ways to train your fingers stronger in the world, than making decision/think in a mmorpg..

which one should promote more?...I like my brainteaser...than weight lifting my finger...

some may like weightlifting more....there are markets for both of them.

Maria The Princess · Aug 02, 2011, 09:58 PM // 21:58

most people here know exactly what grind is, they just dont know the different.. degrees of it and how blessed they are that in GW grind is optional, not necessary to advance.

also, completing a dungeon book on HM is more like an adventure then grind. unless you run the same dungeon over and over and over. but then youre not completing any book.

believe it or not but i met plenty of gamers who LOOK for grind games, the kind of games where they kill the same mob that re-spawns for hours non stop. If a game is not grind they get bored when they beat the game and the "credits roll".

In Gw you have an option, grind or not grind.

in most other games, if you dont grind you can never even dream about competing with other players or even play alongside them in end game content. To get to the point where you can participate in end game pve or pvp can take YEARS.

In GW, you dont need to. and im not talking about finger flexing here, im talking about the fact that if you dont want to grind, just dont, you will still be as good as other players.\

Ive done my fair share of grind in Lineage 2 leveling a mage to 85/80/80/80 and a healer to 83/75/75. Trust me on this one, i never want to grind for anything ever again. However that puts a completely fresh perspective on GW and the joke of what you guys call "grind" that is not even necessary to advance and participate in end game

makosi · Aug 02, 2011, 10:48 PM // 22:48

1) After an hour or so of Fort Aspenwood my feeling is the devs are not doing a good job. They did not properly fix the turtle bug and people are still using leech bots or quitting throughout the match, without penalty, at the expense of the legitimate players.

It doesn't matter how many leech bots are detected and banned, they're gonna come back like cockroaches unless there's a deterrant. The devs put up a log-in announcement about and were banning people for a long period for trading in Local Chat, and this worked well. Why not do the same for abusing low-end PvP too?

2) Community Relations staff are not relating to the community from what I can see. The first time I saw one in a few weeks was yesterday when the game went down and everyone was kicked.

3) Winds of Change was about 20 of the same quest.

4) Skill balance is atrocious; nerfing Fevered Dreams where dervishes were the problem was utter laziness and thoughtlessness.

cataphract · Aug 03, 2011, 06:31 AM // 06:31

1) Jesus Christ, makosi - you have to be the biggest masochist, LIEK EVARR!!!1 With both luxon and kurzick titles maxed you willingly engage in FA. I can't remember playing that with any seriousness in the past three years and only play it when I need to map. And still the retards chase me even after I announce that I'll be mapping.

2) They're on vacation. It's august. Vacation season.

3) That it was. I'm not happy about those level 28 Ministry dudes either. Why the hell am I still level 20 with 36 maxed titles, full black obsi and black chaos gloves? I really need to buy myself a q9 prot black BDS. Or at the very least, a caster black q9 VS.

4) It's common sense - nerf the Mesmer because the Derv is OP. No, wait... O_O

Malice Black · Aug 03, 2011, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Guildwars is much like the film Groundhog Day. Everything is just endlessy repeated over and over until you go mad.

Only those with an addictive personality still play with any frequency.

makosi · Aug 03, 2011, 03:01 PM // 15:01

It's so tragic though when you consider what it was, what it is and what it could have been instead.

The game's uniquity meandered in to the mainstream MMO archetype but it was the Guild Wars essence that was so appealing. Meh - at least there are no guns or engineers corroding the setting.

Malice Black · Aug 03, 2011, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Indeed. I'll give Anet their due though, GW lasted much longer then I ever imagined it would. Granted the surving players are a mix of addicts, whiners and social rejects but it's still going fairly strong 6 years on.

GW will go down as one of the greats of the online gaming world. GW2 has a lot to live up to.

ruksak · Aug 03, 2011, 05:12 PM // 17:12

90% of the Factions & Nightfall missions are summed up as follows :

Go to town X and talk to a guy .....he tells you to go talk to another guy who tells you to go back to town X and talk to that guy again whom says to go talk to another guy that sends you back to another guy to talk to him who tells you to go back to town X for your reward.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Guildwars is much like the film Groundhog Day. Everything is just endlessy repeated over and over until you go mad.

Only those with an addictive personality still play with any frequency.

Bingo. Attention deficit disorder FTW!

Eye of the North was a great monotony breaker with the dungeons and somewhat interesting missions. But much of the main chapters content was ad-nauseum.

DISO: Diablo 3

Missing HB · Aug 03, 2011, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by cataphract

2) They're on vacation. It's august. Vacation season.

2) Easy excuse... and when it's not vacation, it's the classic " we're working on gw2" we get for about 2 years now....

Bobby2 · Aug 03, 2011, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by makosi

It's so tragic though when you consider what it was, what it is and what it could have been instead

Myeah. Yet to find a game with a mechanic that links party survival to skill as well as GW's Prots do. Here's to hoping GW2 will follow up on this unique feature, and NCSoft doesn't fumble the ball like it has.

Vezoth · Aug 04, 2011, 06:26 AM // 06:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

People who cry about grind in GW would never be able to play a real MMORPG....

Grind here is OPTIONAL. The only reasons to grind the titles is to:

1- HOM achievments for GW2:

from what it looks like on the site and from what i know about Anet, the rewards wouldn't be a big deal, just a few aesthetic items. It wouldn't be fair from Anet to give people rewards to old players that could unbalance the new game to the FUTURE new players before the game is even out yet. all you need is 30/50 anyways for the max reward, its not difficult (especially since most people QQing here are signed to the forums since 2005-2006, there should be a fair bit of progress done by now) and its OPTIONAL.

2- PVE skills:

I remember beating everything possible in the game without 1 single PVE skill, before they were out even and before people really knew to use them and what skill comes from what. You can do without them, or with lower rank in them.

3- keep themselves busy

if thats what they choose to keep themselves busy with, they wither chose the wrong thing to do and are upset now or they just want to complain on forums.

If you REALLY want those titles why not complete a HM dungeon book, HM mission books (or NM if HM is too irritating or you dont really care about drops) and cash it in with the right faction? that should keep you entretained enough and no feeling of grind (doing the same area over and over for points)

You should carefully choose your words, if you think real MMORPG's are about grinding you are wrong. Besides if you are right, I've been there. 300+ days played on RuneScape, nearly every WoW character to 80+ (levels were grinded mostly when it was way longer then currently). You eventually get tired of the LONG grinds and just want to do small grinds. However Guild Wars grinds are small compared to most MMORPG's except titles, PvP title grinds are longer than any 99 skill on RuneScape BY FAR.

Let's look at the Glad title, assuming you get 250 points per day, that's 800 days which is like 2.5 years just for one title putting most of your time into that specific title. Point is.. if you want to COMPLETE the game Guild Wars does have excessive grinds.

lursey · Aug 04, 2011, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vezoth

You should carefully choose your words, if you think real MMORPG's are about grinding you are wrong. Besides if you are right, I've been there. 300+ days played on RuneScape, nearly every WoW character to 80+ (levels were grinded mostly when it was way longer then currently). You eventually get tired of the LONG grinds and just want to do small grinds. However Guild Wars grinds are small compared to most MMORPG's except titles, PvP title grinds are longer than any 99 skill on RuneScape BY FAR.

Let's look at the Glad title, assuming you get 250 points per day, that's 800 days which is like 2.5 years just for one title putting most of your time into that specific title. Point is.. if you want to COMPLETE the game Guild Wars does have excessive grinds.

I can already feel the grinding in d3, oh well.. but it is a job..

fowlero · Aug 04, 2011, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vezoth

You should carefully choose your words, if you think real MMORPG's are about grinding you are wrong. Besides if you are right, I've been there. 300+ days played on RuneScape, nearly every WoW character to 80+ (levels were grinded mostly when it was way longer then currently). You eventually get tired of the LONG grinds and just want to do small grinds. However Guild Wars grinds are small compared to most MMORPG's except titles, PvP title grinds are longer than any 99 skill on RuneScape BY FAR.

Let's look at the Glad title, assuming you get 250 points per day, that's 800 days which is like 2.5 years just for one title putting most of your time into that specific title. Point is.. if you want to COMPLETE the game Guild Wars does have excessive grinds.

I could be wrong as i never played runescape, but i'm guessing "99 skill" does something useful?

PvP titles are not designed to be maxed, and they offer no ingame advantage like (i'm guessing) 99 skill does.

Personally that makes the two non-comparable for me, as the grind offers you no benefit. It's merely a byproduct of skillful play time.